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now your electrifying hosts of exploring

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the bizarre Timothy Begley and King

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ah you know I'm I'm so exhausted from

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dragging these chains hmm you know the

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chains you forged in life too you know

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it's all because of women in the

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paranormal I would say well now now okay

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now why would why would that why would

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that cause you to drag chains around

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well I don't know maybe maybe it's just

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my purpose in life to to do that but you

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know that I don't mind doing it for a

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ghostly figure now no and I mean heck we

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have to keep everybody happy on both

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sides of the veil and and we've got a

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really interesting show I think lined up

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at Tim I believe we would call this a

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concept or a theme show yeah sure that's

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you know the high concept show yeah no I

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think I pick a theme show probably being

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show you now if we can iron out a few of

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the bugs it will do this on am a

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somewhat regular basis maybe every five

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or six weeks we'll have on gals who are

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involved in the the paranormal you know

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you hear about most of your UFO

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researchers is a very male oriented

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field ufology right and and even at a

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tea on TV or Bigfoot or all like the

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guys are all as big as Bigfoot normally

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and and certainly almost as hairy and

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then then you you've got your ghost

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hunters which seems to be Zach and

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friends and they they may employ a few

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women from time to time but it's a vast

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field out there of women who are

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involved in the paranormal and I have

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I've got a lot of Facebook friends who

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would fit into that category by all

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means now a Tim would you say though

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that you know in the old days the the

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field was kind of ripe with the wood

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ladies of being involved in this we

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could go back I suppose as far as the

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Oracle of Delphi

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she certainly was involved in the

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paranormal and and who else can you

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think of Tim oh well I mean you have

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some of the you know like early

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Victorian era psychical societies

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especially in London that even though

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that they were male-dominated their

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wives participated and actually came up

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with a lot of the experiments and wrote

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up you know like a lot of the notes and

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then the journals for their you know

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like the publications you know that they

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had even though at you know during that

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time it was unseemly you know for for

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women to participate you know in I guess

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a lot of them you instead of being

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researchers they were mediums I mean

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that Widow that was you know your seance

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room was filled with petticoats know

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very very oh yeah yeah very pretty I

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know I what they were hiding under the

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petticoats I don't take a skeptical of

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you know like everyone on that and of

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course we had Madame Blavatsky my course

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has started the Theosophical society and

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then Eileen Garrett who was head of the

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parapsychology group in fact I I just

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saw on the news the other day that they

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actually had a meeting there they still

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have a library and an organization even

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though I've tried to contact them

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several times and nobody has gotten back

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to me but they're still active so

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tonight in keeping with that tradition

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we are going to have on for ladies of

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the paranormal and hopefully Sean

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Robinson's with us yeah she will be soon

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oh yeah we're having we're having a

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little difficulty right now getting

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everybody you know shored up over the

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phone lines

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I think we're we can't we can't go back

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to telepathy like we used to no I don't

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think so and you know I mean while that

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would work for us I don't think it

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worked too well for the audience I don't

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know we've got some pretty good we've

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got some pretty adept people out there I

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know we get we get a few strange

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messages so I don't think that's out of

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the question well you know them I mean I

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think though that you know a lot of

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these you know like a modern paranormal

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researchers it's it's been for a while

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almost like UFO research which has been

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you know a pretty much male-dominated

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and inside outside of maybe betty hills

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knees and I just got a styler when she's

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acting up you know well I mean and there

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there are some you know some real

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standouts you know in the UFO field and

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it's it's getting more and more like

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that now in paranormal investigation you

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know while we saw as you mentioned at

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the beginning the program pro societies

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that you know like say the Haight used

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were leaders but you know you know I

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mean II of the people who you know as

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started them you know tended to be male

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and then you know they they would have

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been women you know kind of as a

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subordinate now I say should do Headley

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again you do have the Long Island medium

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who I don't know and I kind of like

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frown on her participation I mean she's

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more of a commercial entity than well I

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don't know maybe she has some ability I

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would you know I like to say I haven't

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tested her I haven't met her I don't

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know her but it seems like somewhat of a

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gimmick but then you know reality TV

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likes it's a gimmick I mean this is a

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series now and on what is it shooting

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Bigfoot or something like that right

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yeah well and I mean didn't the the what

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were the psychic society that that you

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ran the New York oh that well that's

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where I at the New York school of a

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all Arts and Sciences and I say that

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proudly because it was one of the first

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metaphysical schools in in the United

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States of course everybody jumped on the

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bandwagon well that was the heyday of

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course the 60s of group meetings and

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things like that now everybody is on

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skype or they're exchanging messages on

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facebook or if we're lucky they're

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listening to exploring mom bizarre yeah

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well what was the you know what would

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you say the ratio was though in in your

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group of females to tomorrow oh yeah now

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are you - are you speaking of the the

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instructors

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who you know what happened I mean I

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would say I never I never I never did

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take a statistical analysis of it I I

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probably noticed the ladies more they

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did the guys but no I I would say it was

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put up fairly evenly divided now if you

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took something like a hypnosis class or

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an astral projection class I would say

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it would be you know a good bit maybe

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70% men and the remainder of you know

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ladies if you talked about our Saturday

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nights

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seances which are very popular with

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kitty steel and and the late date

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Viviane the st. John the wrestler who

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worked for us as zoom iller they I would

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say that the seances were attended maybe

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about 80 85 percent by women and but I

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don't think it's because they have more

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because because maybe men are a little

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about a little bit shy about admitting

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that they might be interested in that

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type of thing you know possibly possibly

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and you know I mean you have a situation

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where I think people you know anybody

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may our female tend to be a little shy

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and admitting that they're interested or

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or or you know what to participate you

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know in this in this we the weird world

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of the the paranormal that never stopped

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us though no no I wouldn't say that it

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has I mean even in our program here I

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would say well I wouldn't say we've been

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evenly divided we probably had a few

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more men than we have ladies well maybe

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there are a lot of women out there who

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were very interested you know in this

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type of field and we'd like to get two

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of them up about right now yeah

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hopefully hopefully that will happen you

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know but you know I think that a lot of

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them you know they may not have an idea

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of how to go about it you know where to

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you know to find these organizations and

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you know and we're getting where they

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find organisms they feel comfortable you

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know uh participating in well I would I

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would say the UFO groups I seem to be

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still I mean if you're talking about the

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audience seem to be dominated by by a

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meant but then again the the groups that

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I have visited what they haven't had a

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you know exceedingly large crowd so it's

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hard kind of hard to say you know

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overall and now with the podcast then

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the expanded you know radio shows that

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are on the subject it's kind of hard to

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say who is listening actually none

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because we've got you know hundreds if

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not thousands of people I was going to

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say turning your dial but that doesn't

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happen anymore what do what do they do

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is screaming in that's right that's

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right just go to go to the website like

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this women and and stream your

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information in yeah but you know it just

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you know it makes me think of say like

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Marie at the end you know OMB Andrea you

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know I mean she

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now you know she has been active in the

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field for a number of years that's true

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but you know it seems to me that

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sometimes that someone has talented as

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she is really doesn't get the

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recognition I think a lot of times that

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she deserves again I mean you know

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you'll see you know men dominate the

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field and get the intention you know

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over really in my opinion a lot of ties

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a lot more even even at the evening as

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far as the mediums go

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I mean who have been the most popular

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mediums of our modern era Arthur Ford

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doc Anderson oh my god heard of dr.

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Anderson you know Tim I just found some

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photographs I took of doc Anderson in

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the 1960s he was down in I forget now

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North Carolina Louisiana somewhere there

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me and my my buddy baby Jerry who put

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out a cave is a comic book artist and we

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went down for a outdoor rock and roll

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festival and he insisted on stopping in

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and seeing dr. Anderson and so I took a

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roll of photographs and the photographs

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are in black and white and they're all

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rolled up I'm going to put a couple of

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them on the on the scanner you know and

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and then you know I mean that's probably

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the only photographs I haven't seen any

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photographs of Anderson on any of the

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but he was pretty popular then there was

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also Edward Snedeker he was the the used

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to come down to the occult center when

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we were in the basement under Fifth

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Avenue and he was big on healing a

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horses or something and he could predict

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like or he was your horse race guy you

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know I mean that's kind of strange but

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not really and

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there was Daniel Logan which you don't

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hear anything about anymore he was very

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popular at the time and then someone

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I've actually been in communication with

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and I've tried to get him on the program

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but he's over in England and I don't

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know if he'll ever come out of the show

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do you remember Matthew Manning I do do

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you yeah yeah well veteran Manning had

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this ability and it well okay it was

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kind of like the uri geller I mean he in

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bed sports he said well what are the

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interesting things that I saw he he came

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to and visited us at the occult Center

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oh I know he was the one that was a

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composer he could compose music like a

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lot of the the dead you know artists

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like Beethoven and Mozart and stuff like

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that okay I'm gonna I hate theater

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interrupt here but I see now that are

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our two guests the first hour are now

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online with this

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so tell me shall we go ahead and break

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them in here we have that I think so we

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have Sean Robin Saul there Sean hi there

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how are you doing tonight well I'm doing

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fine and how about yourself well I am

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doing even better because I am and on

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the phone with three people who are

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truly inspiring

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well are you talking and you don't even

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say you see my photo on there I don't

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know

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I do remote viewing I don't I don't I

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could actually tell what you're wearing

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that's right ah

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oh well but and then we also in addition

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to Sean Robbins we have Jen the viler is

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is that the way you pronounce it Jen

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it's actually good very a but pretty

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close but yeah we we try the best we can

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here anyway I wanted to start out with

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better to start out with with this Sean

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I I've known Sean since a long time a

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long time I had the 60s 70s I know

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though that time marches on you know

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when I first met this Sean she came down

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to the occult Center and

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we had our classes and workshops and

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readings and things along that line and

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at that time showing you were working as

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a medium with the late Hans Holzer

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correct absolutely and arms was the key

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was the original ghost hunter long

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before anybody else how did you meet

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Hans and and and what exactly did you do

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with him okay

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actually how I met Hans I was in the

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government of in the 1970s there was a

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program called the Stargate project and

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I was one of the first three psychics

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along with Uri Geller and Malcolm

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Balfour that were recruited by the CIA

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to spy on the Russians and ultimately

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work with naval intelligence to find

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submarines to save our country from war

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and Hans you know heard about this even

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though it supposedly you know an ultra

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seek sacred project and he felt that if

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you know I worked with him besides

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working with the government that my

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abilities would might be useful in

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investigating haunted houses as well and

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that's how I started off my career and

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and what houses did you want I mean did

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you investigate there did I investigate

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well there's a Greenwich Village we have

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a house on Gay Street built somewhere in

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the early 1800s and in this house there

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are like hidden rooms and the basement

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was actually used as a smuggling route

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for wine you know for people that were

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doing booze and ylabel like a good old

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blog about the good old bootleggers

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sadly one of the fights you know that

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occurred there was a murder and that

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house was haunted for generations Hans

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and I did a TV show was on CBS one of

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the first actually I think shows that

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Hans ever did unlike TV

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going into a haunted house and

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seeing a bucket I could pick up anything

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lo and behold I saw someone you know an

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older man and another younger man having

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a fight and there was a murder and it

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were true that what I was seeing

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actually happened including finding the

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hidden tunnels underneath that I said

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existed in this house that we use for

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the bootlegging that was the first show

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Hans also used me to find you probably

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don't your audience wouldn't know who he

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was but there was a very famous bishop

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called Bishop Pike who disappeared yeah

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where are you yes oh there's a committee

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tomb yeah yeah they do indeed probably

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in fact he is the subject yeah well I

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could tell a story but this is your show

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go ahead okay well the main thing that

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Hans wanted me to do to see if I could

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locate a bishop Pike's body and Hans

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would put me under hypnosis and he would

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say you know in this state that I was in

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could I use my abilities of remote

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viewing to see if I could find out where

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he was and I did I located his body

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sadly that was the Amityville Horror

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which can you wrote a book about well

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that's right you have a chapter in the

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chapter in the book a medieval and

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beyond

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and by the way Sean I happen to have a

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copy of my hand of Han soldiers the

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psychic world of Bishop Pike I have it

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right here in my hand because I've been

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reading it lately but go ahead tell it

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tell us the two Jay Riecke am happy yeah

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Hans was very much interested in is it

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actually something that your audience

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doesn't know and something Tim you don't

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remember but I do Tim and I were in a

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car and we were out gosh this was about

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I think within about a year after of you

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were in a car with a few other people

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actually with two other people because I

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remember Tim death but I don't expect

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you remember it we were going out with

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an evening trying to see if

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we ourselves any vibrations from the

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house

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we dig on unfortunately unfortunately

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I'm going to have to interrupt you here

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because we are at our bottom of the hour

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break so when we come back we continue

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our conversation with Sean and Jen on

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you

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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were paranoid your hosts Timothy

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evacuate handsome Schwartz and welcome

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back to exploring the bizarre are and

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tonight we are talking about women and

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the paranormal and we have with us right

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now Shaun Robinson Shaun I'd like you to

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continue your story which unfortunately

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I had to interrupt because we had a

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break to go to and so please I mean

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continue okay the first thing is being

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that I do remote viewing him the other

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Tim is going to blush okay after hands

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Holzer interviewed me under hypnosis

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about the Amityville Horror I think it

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was a year later Tim and I and about two

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other people want to go out to a

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medieval to see the house itself and

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we're in you know also for me to get

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impressions we were riding in the car we

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were about I'd say 90 excuse me percent

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there the car started to make unusual

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noises and I think Tim was driving and

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the steering wheel itself seemed to be

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going in another direction everyone in

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the car must have been me out yeah it

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was you it was absolutely you Tim and we

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kept saying they don't you know want us

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to go there they don't want us to see

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what happened it was almost like some

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force was stopping us from getting the

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last mile so to speak to the house and

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we decided that moment to turn around

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the minute we turned around the car

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acted normally now one could say that

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this was a paranormal experience we were

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very imaginative at that time or there

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really was something in that house that

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caused it to be haunted and the failure

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family or whatever did not want us to

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just you know to see the house so we

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never got out to see it

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and now Tim hopefully you can remember

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because I do is it's a story on an event

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in my life I'll never forget well you

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know we genocide we recorded of course

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huh

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we just did this book on a medieval and

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beyond and you did you did do a uh I

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guess even though we didn't make it to

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the house per se you did do a reading on

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the house for Hans right absolutely and

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one of the hardest things about being a

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psychic is that when you work on let's

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say murder cases with the police you

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pick up the vibrations of the victim and

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both the murderer and psychics can get

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into the mind of a criminal and not only

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you know pick up what they're thinking

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but actually pick up the events as it

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happened I hate to say it as they kill

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the people or persons involved in their

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murder spree and when I was under

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hypnosis with Hans during the Amity

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Zahara I picked up on those vibrations

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and I have to tell you it is something

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that you cannot erase from the mind

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because the human mind is is almost like

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a computer it just picks up images and

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you don't forget them so even to this

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day this moment on phone talking to both

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of you I could still see the horrific

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imagery in front of me of that family

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being killed in the screams and Mahara

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the blood on the wall the gory details

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hello my bachelor that's the life

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sometimes of a psychic who works with

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the police and many psychics you know

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who are involved in the paranormal

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working with the police burnout for that

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reason because it's gut-wrenching to to

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deal with these things you have to

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really be strong because you should also

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at some times with the police shown

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pictures of the crime scene itself I

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remember once I did TV shows on again

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CBS

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and it was a live show they took me to

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it was actually in New York City to the

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house where the murder took place now

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you would think with Criminal

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Investigations that they would pick up

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any you know on everything but the

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police it was actually we never called

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the Batman and Robin of the police force

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this is going back to this 70s early or

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late 70s when I was doing the TV show I

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was felt and urged to go into a closet

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and I'm saying to myself why am I going

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into the closet and behind the clothes

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was a bloody footprint not footprint and

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print it and this was on TV so you know

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was shown as it was happening and that

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handprint was the handprint of the

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murderer whew hey Shaun we're going to

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have an easy audience in a little bit of

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suspense because we do have a another

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guess we need to bring on but I do want

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to well first of all Shawn also was

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known and I guess still is is one of the

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top 10 psychics in America her

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predictions were in the Inquirer every

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New Year's that was back when the

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Inquirer was a real paper and not owned

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by Donald Trump or something like that

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but we do want to mention Shawn's new

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book Shawn is called the good witch's

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the package it yes that that is the new

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book and my pretty close in the previous

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book is called Wikipedia and both these

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books are really for people well the

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second book is really great because it's

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holistic healing and you know it was

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herbs and in various things and how to

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heal your mind spirit and soul with

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00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:55,980
these magical ingredients that you have

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00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,790
in the kitchen

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well I remember Sanjay I remember Shawn

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going to you with you to a book signing

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and I think Daltons or Barnes and Noble

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downstairs and the place was packed so

541
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:12,510
hopefully they'll set up something for

542
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,110
you here

543
00:28:18,410 --> 00:28:15,840
Manhattan and we can get together in

544
00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:18,420
person and you can autograph a copy the

545
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:19,950
book for me since I'm on the back cover

546
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,410
and showing it while you are there again

547
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:24,840
thank you for for joining us I as

548
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:26,970
unfortunately the night was cut a little

549
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:30,840
bit short but we can pick up on this you

550
00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:34,170
know later on and Sean thanks again and

551
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,420
everybody go out and is the book out now

552
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,240
is it available in stores out now yes

553
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:41,880
it's in stores and it's online worldwide

554
00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:44,130
so wherever you are in the world you can

555
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:47,669
go to get up that's yeah I Tim you wanna

556
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:50,160
you what I would introduce our next

557
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:53,330
guest who's been waiting in the wings

558
00:29:00,919 --> 00:28:56,570
waiting patiently in the wings Iroquois

559
00:29:03,980 --> 00:29:00,929
hahaha well uh Jen is a psychic medium

560
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:03,990
spiritual teacher author lecturer and is

561
00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:06,030
well versed and doing a variety of

562
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:08,120
readings including Tarot numerology

563
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:11,220
Egyptian scarabs angel readings and the

564
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,370
list goes on she's also the author of a

565
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:16,860
really fascinating book called dark

566
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:20,370
night haunting so Jen thank you for

567
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:24,000
being with us tonight thank you for

568
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:26,970
inviting me and I gotta say Sean's story

569
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:31,140
was giving me chills over here so her

570
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,270
ensuring injury that she was mentioning

571
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:35,610
just had me like wow that's that's

572
00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:38,280
intense I can't imagine I mean it is

573
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,590
true though we do see things almost like

574
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:43,320
a motion picture playing in your head

575
00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:46,230
when you experience what they experience

576
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:48,270
and things like that so it is it is very

577
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:52,440
like that well your book title I'm a

578
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:55,020
dark knight haunting it sounds like it

579
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,490
might have some very sensational stories

580
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:01,679
or experiences in there what when did

581
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:04,230
you first find out that you were the

582
00:30:11,659 --> 00:30:08,970
psychic or paranormally inclined well

583
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:11,669
for me it started around the age of 8 I

584
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:14,820
saw my first shadow person

585
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:18,960
I guess the paranormal the metaphysical

586
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:21,270
were kind of tied together for me my

587
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:23,250
whole life because my mom used to always

588
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:26,669
go get her tarot cards read so

589
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:30,320
it wasn't a strange thing to me I guess

590
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:34,230
what scared me when I saw the figure was

591
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:36,450
the fact of what is it doing in my house

592
00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:41,039
rather than what is it so it was kind of

593
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:44,279
a strange emotion I did you know freeze

594
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,679
for a second but it was more like what

595
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:48,600
is this thinking about because it

596
00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:50,609
blocked the light out in the hallway

597
00:30:57,139 --> 00:30:55,169
completely I turned away and I heard my

598
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,149
mom's key in the front door and I needi

599
00:31:01,960 --> 00:30:59,340
Utley looked back in the hallway and the

600
00:31:04,999 --> 00:31:01,970
lights back and there's nothing there so

601
00:31:08,869 --> 00:31:05,009
pretty much ever since then everything's

602
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,879
just gone nuts mm-hmm well now was there

603
00:31:13,249 --> 00:31:11,279
anybody else in your family who was a

604
00:31:14,899 --> 00:31:13,259
gifted like you you know like your

605
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:14,909
grandmother great-grandmother or

606
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:15,450
something like that

607
00:31:22,249 --> 00:31:19,070
absolutely absolutely as far as I know

608
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:22,259
pretty much all the women on my mother's

609
00:31:27,109 --> 00:31:23,940
side of the family all have abilities

610
00:31:29,419 --> 00:31:27,119
I'm the only one that's actually copped

611
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,429
to it mmm

612
00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:31,440
they all pretty much deny it push it

613
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,470
away you know Alice that you know now my

614
00:31:39,499 --> 00:31:37,679
mom with her getting up in years she's

615
00:31:41,899 --> 00:31:39,509
starting to accept it a little bit more

616
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,909
and she calls me for advice you know

617
00:31:46,099 --> 00:31:44,159
what does this mean what why am i doing

618
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:46,109
this why am I seeing this and things so

619
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,080
she's starting to accept it now but when

620
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:51,960
she was my age or younger she didn't

621
00:31:55,609 --> 00:31:53,580
want anything to do with it so she went

622
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:55,619
to tarot readers instead I said well mom

623
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,609
what's the difference

624
00:32:01,369 --> 00:31:59,039
why should she just read herself I mean

625
00:32:05,239 --> 00:32:01,379
she comes to me for readings you know

626
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:05,249
and I you know it's just kind of funny

627
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:09,809
but my grandmother had abilities and she

628
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,200
just never wanted to acknowledge them to

629
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:16,559
just new things and I believe my

630
00:32:24,919 --> 00:32:21,179
great-grandmother also had abilities she

631
00:32:27,619 --> 00:32:24,929
was put in a mental institution mental

632
00:32:29,749 --> 00:32:27,629
institution when she got older they

633
00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:29,759
thought she was nuts but if you think

634
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:31,950
about it way back in that timeframe they

635
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:33,809
would have thought anyone with abilities

636
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:37,980
was not so there's that oh yeah yeah

637
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:40,050
I've heard I've heard that quite off

638
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:44,870
okay well why do you think that that you

639
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:47,790
was able to accept this when you had

640
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:51,330
several generations you know who are

641
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:53,400
afraid to accept it w things it's kind

642
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:56,130
of like a sign of the times or or you

643
00:33:00,650 --> 00:32:58,710
know or you just have a you know that

644
00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:00,660
that personality is just like you know

645
00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:02,190
the hell with this I'm going to go for

646
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:06,390
it well I think again it has a lot to do

647
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,190
with the fact that my mom already was

648
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:10,020
going to see tarot card readers and

649
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:11,850
things like that so my mind was already

650
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:16,380
open she never tried to force any type

651
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:19,260
of religion on me she always let me

652
00:33:26,210 --> 00:33:24,360
believe what I wanted to believe so it

653
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:26,220
was one of those she never said you know

654
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:27,450
I know you're talking to your imaginary

655
00:33:33,290 --> 00:33:29,220
friends you never said anything like

656
00:33:36,050 --> 00:33:33,300
that not to say that she always believed

657
00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:36,060
the things I experiences experience

658
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:39,780
because she didn't but she wouldn't

659
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:44,160
ridicule me about them either so having

660
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:47,550
an open door like that makes it a little

661
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:50,340
easier for you to accept about yourself

662
00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:56,220
and I don't know I think part of it is I

663
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,490
have a destiny to fulfill to help as

664
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:01,740
many people as I possibly can before I

665
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:04,350
leave this realm and that's part of me

666
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:06,870
acknowledging my power and using it for

667
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:10,560
what I need to do which is as much good

668
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:14,310
as possible so you know I don't know

669
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,550
what my mom you know I don't know what

670
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:19,440
her journey is I'm not sure what she's

671
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:21,300
supposed to be here doing I just know

672
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:24,780
what I'm supposed to be here doing well

673
00:34:34,340 --> 00:34:28,830
is this something that happens to you

674
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:34,350
like all the time every day or does it

675
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:36,690
you know like working in fits and starts

676
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:38,550
you just you know because I've known

677
00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:41,310
some people but you know they can go for

678
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:44,160
a couple of weeks and nothing happens

679
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,810
and then you know it's almost you know

680
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:48,000
like a dam burst and then in one day's

681
00:34:52,659 --> 00:34:50,150
time they're just almost overwhelmed

682
00:34:54,549 --> 00:34:52,669
with impressions and you

683
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:54,559
like you said you know shadow people

684
00:35:00,490 --> 00:34:56,210
we're going to run it over you're down

685
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:00,500
there hallway and things like that well

686
00:35:07,809 --> 00:35:05,420
I think for me having learned a lot on

687
00:35:12,549 --> 00:35:07,819
astrology I can honestly tell you that

688
00:35:14,589 --> 00:35:12,559
right now with what's going on with the

689
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:14,599
astrological whether it actually does

690
00:35:20,859 --> 00:35:18,230
line up and it is making the veil almost

691
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:20,869
non-existent I think any of my other

692
00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:22,609
psychic colleagues would tell you the

693
00:35:27,819 --> 00:35:25,940
same thing the veil is super thin right

694
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:27,829
now so there's a lot of people that have

695
00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:29,510
never experienced anything that are

696
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:31,790
contacting me and change in what's going

697
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:35,359
on in my house it was like welcome to my

698
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:41,240
world but for me I I kind of keep my my

699
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:45,980
home as a fortress so I do have

700
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:47,930
boundaries up and that's not to say that

701
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:50,599
nothing ever comes through but typically

702
00:35:56,289 --> 00:35:53,089
what comes through is like somebody just

703
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:56,299
literally walking through because they

704
00:36:01,450 --> 00:35:59,690
have no sense of oh I'm walking through

705
00:36:03,789 --> 00:36:01,460
a wall or whatever they don't care they

706
00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:03,799
just walk right through and I've had it

707
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:05,540
happen to me plenty of times in the

708
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:07,130
middle of the night you see somebody

709
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:09,020
walking through and you're say okay you

710
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:14,690
know for me it's normal but it's kind of

711
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:15,430
random

712
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:18,250
do you have guy I have Laird guides

713
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:21,730
spirit guides yes mm-hmm

714
00:36:28,299 --> 00:36:25,130
absolutely these are regular entities

715
00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:28,309
that come through to you now now where

716
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:30,500
are they residing are they in another

717
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:32,630
realm or in the summer lander another

718
00:36:38,859 --> 00:36:36,260
realm yeah yeah they're well Wiccans

719
00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:38,869
we'll call it summer land Christians we

720
00:36:47,289 --> 00:36:43,640
call it heaven I just call it the other

721
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:47,299
side or the energy that we all go back

722
00:36:54,370 --> 00:36:49,970
to when we leave this realm but there's

723
00:36:58,180 --> 00:36:54,380
a realm that's also in between ours and

724
00:37:00,280 --> 00:36:58,190
the one we end up in right there's a

725
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:00,290
membrane that they have to go through in

726
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:02,930
that middle area that's where all the

727
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:06,650
ghosts and lost entities and stuff

728
00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:11,150
up in there and I've just been running

729
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:13,220
horse and we're together and having

730
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:16,600
experience or or any of that you know

731
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:19,910
entities whose job it is to contact you

732
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:21,770
to prevail and giving different

733
00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:26,740
information out your spirit guides

734
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:29,270
that's those are people you actually

735
00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:31,430
make it sort of like a verbal contract

736
00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:34,340
list before you even reincarnate it into

737
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:36,500
this life that they would be the ones

738
00:37:42,910 --> 00:37:38,540
that would help you navigate through

739
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:42,920
life so they are where we go back to

740
00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:45,770
they're over there it's the same thing

741
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:49,640
with people sometimes confuse we won't

742
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:51,980
get in to too far into that but Twin

743
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:54,980
Flames and things like that usually if

744
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,490
you split ones over there and ones over

745
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:00,800
here but it's the same with the spirit

746
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:03,950
guides they're over there and here's the

747
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,910
catch they're there to guide us but they

748
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:09,920
can't tell us everything because if they

749
00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:13,250
did that we would ultimately use our

750
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:16,070
freewill and change something and not

751
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:21,890
end up where we're supposed to end up so

752
00:38:28,510 --> 00:38:23,390
even if you were to ask your spirit

753
00:38:31,090 --> 00:38:28,520
guide who you're going to marry or

754
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:31,100
whatever they can't tell you because if

755
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:32,510
they tell you then something's going to

756
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:35,420
change so they're limited on what they

757
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:43,310
can guide you with well do your spirit

758
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:48,710
guides I mean if if you are working with

759
00:38:58,030 --> 00:38:52,910
another person do these spirit guides I

760
00:39:01,810 --> 00:38:58,040
mean are they able to work with these

761
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:01,820
other people or do you know are do they

762
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:03,590
talk to say like you know the person

763
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:05,930
you're working with spirit guides that

764
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:07,370
you know they may not necessarily be

765
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:10,490
able to you know get the impressions

766
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:14,200
from them like you can that makes sense

767
00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:16,970
you mean like if I'm if I'm working on a

768
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:20,550
client yes yes

769
00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:24,210
yes it's kind of a collage when I'm

770
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:26,060
working on a client it's kind of

771
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:28,650
sometimes it's my spirit guide that

772
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:30,870
comes through and has gotten information

773
00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:33,960
from their or theirs will directly come

774
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:36,740
through to me although it can either

775
00:39:45,740 --> 00:39:40,740
yeah it can be either or it just depends

776
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:45,750
on who wants to speak up basically no do

777
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:48,380
they do they have okay in addition to

778
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:52,290
you know giving your clients information

779
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,190
that will be of interest to them and you

780
00:40:00,260 --> 00:39:58,320
know in their in their lives do they

781
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:00,270
tell you anything like say about world

782
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:03,030
events or what's going on on the other

783
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:05,550
side though is you have a prolonged

784
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,290
conversation or is it just something

785
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:08,880
that takes place while you're doing the

786
00:40:15,350 --> 00:40:13,920
readings uh yeah they don't my guides

787
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:15,360
don't tell me anything about world

788
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:20,720
events not not all psychics have the I

789
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:23,430
guess good luck to be able to see that

790
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:24,690
sort of thing

791
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:26,850
we all kind of have different degrees of

792
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:29,640
our talents and our gifts because we all

793
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:34,470
have different paths with it mine is

794
00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:36,420
more or less helping people get their

795
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:39,260
lives back on track and Tech's forward

796
00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:44,310
for their own life path therefore you

797
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:46,080
know I don't see world events when I'm

798
00:40:51,530 --> 00:40:49,110
doing a reading on a client as far as

799
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:51,540
future I really don't do any

800
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,540
fortune-telling either so when I read

801
00:40:59,920 --> 00:40:56,640
for a client I'm telling them what is

802
00:41:04,130 --> 00:40:59,930
and what's likely going to happen and

803
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:04,140
unless they do something to change it so

804
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,060
if there's something that's you know not

805
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,700
nice that's probably going to happen if

806
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:10,680
they don't change the course then they

807
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:14,010
have a heads up and they can make a

808
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,690
change free will is always involved what

809
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:21,240
what yeah this is a your time the title

810
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:23,400
of your book is very intriguing Dark

811
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:27,420
Knight wanting now what what exactly is

812
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:28,680
that I mean is that different than

813
00:41:36,049 --> 00:41:33,960
similar or to Gore well hey good

814
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:36,059
I'm not really sure how I came up with

815
00:41:41,230 --> 00:41:37,410
the title

816
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:41,240
the actual book itself is my paranormal

817
00:41:49,549 --> 00:41:45,599
autobiography and that's just the name I

818
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:49,559
think maybe my guide told me to to use

819
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,410
it I'm not really sure how how I came up

820
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,240
with that one but it just sort of popped

821
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:56,000
out and I said okay that's what I'll use

822
00:42:03,099 --> 00:42:00,180
the title I would say that the guy said

823
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:03,109
oh right the right direction there yeah

824
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:06,540
it's final because stare order on the

825
00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:09,150
picture are from Marble Falls Texas

826
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:14,550
which is a an area that has these caves

827
00:42:20,299 --> 00:42:17,970
the Longhorn caverns and they're

828
00:42:23,049 --> 00:42:20,309
reportedly haunted so I thought how cool

829
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:23,059
I should just use those stairs for that

830
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:25,770
for the book cover so it kind of tied in

831
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:32,240
together so now are the spirits that

832
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,849
that you work with and you know and

833
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:38,640
other people you know who work with are

834
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,030
they all good because I know that there

835
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:43,440
are some people who dispute the whole

836
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:45,210
idea that you know that you know that

837
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:47,250
there's you know get spirits and evil

838
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:48,750
spirits and you know everything like

839
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:50,190
that but I mean you know what's your

840
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:52,670
impression you know one of those lines

841
00:43:00,319 --> 00:42:57,510
um I've never encountered anything that

842
00:43:03,049 --> 00:43:00,329
was inherently evil I've never

843
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,059
encountered a demon but I'm not going to

844
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:05,520
tell you that they don't exist I ant my

845
00:43:14,170 --> 00:43:08,420
answer is I don't know if they do or not

846
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:14,180
the ones that I've encountered have been

847
00:43:20,299 --> 00:43:17,880
basically their former self if they're

848
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:20,309
in ghost farm if they're in that that

849
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:22,890
middle realm then they are basically

850
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:26,130
going to still be who they were when

851
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:28,470
they were alive so if they were not very

852
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:30,599
nice when they were alive they're still

853
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:33,780
the same person so those would be the

854
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:35,730
ones that are scratching people and

855
00:43:39,319 --> 00:43:37,740
don't want them in their home and do

856
00:43:42,799 --> 00:43:39,329
whatever they can to try to scare people

857
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,809
out of there and things like that and so

858
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:45,920
now is is there any hope for for those

859
00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:47,730
spirits you know seems to me

860
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:50,070
they're almost just like like lost and

861
00:43:53,570 --> 00:43:51,720
you know they have no place to go and no

862
00:43:55,630 --> 00:43:53,580
knowledge of how to get out of their

863
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:55,640
situation

864
00:44:01,310 --> 00:43:58,230
well that's the thing that's that's

865
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:01,320
where people like us come in and try to

866
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,750
get their attention if they do pay

867
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:06,300
attention then we're able to you know

868
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:08,010
kind of work with them and it's almost

869
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:10,410
kind of like a counseling job like we're

870
00:44:16,190 --> 00:44:14,160
counseling you know crossover or not

871
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:16,200
even crossed over but we're counseling

872
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:17,940
the dead trying to get them to go to

873
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,770
where they need to go because ultimately

874
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:22,200
if they go and go through that light and

875
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:26,250
go to where they need to be they're not

876
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,410
going to be stuck here anymore and

877
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:31,200
they're going to be happy so that is

878
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:33,690
kind of a goal so when I say that I'm

879
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:36,630
helping people I'm telling you that it

880
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:38,910
kind of stretches across boundaries and

881
00:44:44,810 --> 00:44:40,890
realms I'm trying to help as many souls

882
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:44,820
as I can so that kind of includes our

883
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:49,290
realm and the next realm so now if our

884
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:52,230
listeners want to contact you or find

885
00:45:00,080 --> 00:44:53,880
out more about - how can they go about

886
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:00,090
that very easily I have a website Jenn

887
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:05,700
deville yay calm that's J en de vie IL l

888
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:09,359
ier calm and that connects to my Twitter

889
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:16,050
my facebook my blog um my book pretty

890
00:45:20,540 --> 00:45:18,210
much anything you want to know is going

891
00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:20,550
to be on that website well I believe

892
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:22,950
that's how I found you was on the

893
00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:24,570
Facebook there you have a very active

894
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:28,320
page and I must say yeah even though the

895
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,050
time was somewhat short it did roll

896
00:45:36,849 --> 00:45:34,200
right along I mean I I want to thank our

897
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:36,859
- our first the two guests with evening

898
00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:42,359
Sean and Janna and I hear that the guy

899
00:45:47,090 --> 00:45:44,070
in the background Tim who's going to

900
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:47,100
take over and annoy us once more but

901
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:50,550
we'll be back right after a little break

902
00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:56,730
and remember the visit the goes go by

903
00:46:01,100 --> 00:45:57,600
the books of

904
00:46:03,380 --> 00:46:01,110
our authors here and call them for

905
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:03,390
reading get in touch with them and study

906
00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:14,390
explode the bazaar

907
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:17,100
you're eating it ride is the world of

908
00:46:23,330 --> 00:46:20,910
the paranormal strap yourself in as we

909
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:23,340
traverse the universe exploring the

910
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:26,940
unexplained UFO ghost

911
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:30,780
lost world cryptozoology waters as well

912
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:34,770
as other dimensions it's time to take

913
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,090
back the NASA night now you are

914
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:41,280
electrifying hosts of exploring the

915
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:53,260
well Tim the night has been rolling

916
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:57,170
along well I think this is the first

917
00:47:03,640 --> 00:46:59,900
time outside of our tributes of bread

918
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:03,650
stagger in our gala Christmas show we

919
00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:06,740
had so many people hanging on the tree

920
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:09,830
there that we've had for a guest on but

921
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:12,200
you know there are so many ladies now

922
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:14,930
involved in the paranormal I wanted to

923
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:18,170
have on you know like quite a number of

924
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:20,450
them in fact I think I said earlier I

925
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:22,690
want to do this kind of on a regular

926
00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:26,089
basis and not to leave the the gentlemen

927
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:31,190
out either there are plenty of people

928
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:35,420
that I've met the of both sexes on

929
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:38,150
Facebook I mean it's an incredible

930
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:41,570
source for information people that I

931
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:43,640
don't know anything or very little about

932
00:47:48,339 --> 00:47:45,710
did I look forward to talking to because

933
00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:48,349
that's what we like to do here on kco

934
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:51,380
our radio exploring the bazaar we like

935
00:47:56,859 --> 00:47:53,810
to have on people who will provide us

936
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:56,869
with information so that we can grow our

937
00:48:03,010 --> 00:47:59,300
consciousness that's right I know I have

938
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:03,020
on interesting people that indeed indeed

939
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:05,330
indeed well we certainly have an

940
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:07,250
interesting person waiting in the wings

941
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:11,210
here Claudia Cunningham I call her the

942
00:48:18,490 --> 00:48:16,010
MIB lady because because the going back

943
00:48:20,740 --> 00:48:18,500
when she first contacted me which

944
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:20,750
Claudia would be about six or seven

945
00:48:25,450 --> 00:48:23,180
years now longer yeah I think it might

946
00:48:27,790 --> 00:48:25,460
be eight or nine oh boy you know how

947
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:27,800
time how time flies when you're being

948
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,020
chased by the men in black right oh boy

949
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:32,960
let me tell you and and she is she had

950
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:35,150
she wrote me a letter

951
00:48:38,349 --> 00:48:36,680
was it a letter or it was a

952
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:38,359
communication one way or the other maybe

953
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:41,270
an email an email yeah email yeah and it

954
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:42,950
was it was very detailed

955
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:45,470
usually when most people Tim send an

956
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,000
email you're lucky if you get a

957
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:49,040
paragraph out of them I never could

958
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:51,830
quite a hundred oh yeah yes understand

959
00:48:57,010 --> 00:48:53,900
that but she had a very coherent story

960
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:57,020
and I immediately got in touch with her

961
00:49:06,090 --> 00:48:58,010
and

962
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,100
gone to the rural Albany Cemetery where

963
00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:09,200
the mighty Charles Ford and his entire

964
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:14,780
family are buried and where there's a

965
00:49:18,970 --> 00:49:16,490
lot of other mysterious weird things

966
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:18,980
that of them going on in that cemetery

967
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:22,820
we've talked about that before tonight

968
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:26,480
we're going to kind of deviate from the

969
00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:29,330
the men and black sorry guys because we

970
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:32,390
want to talk about some more spooky kind

971
00:49:38,830 --> 00:49:35,780
of paranormal so we'll have Claudia with

972
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:38,840
us and and Tim why don't you introduce

973
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:40,970
our other guests who I know that you've

974
00:49:47,770 --> 00:49:44,060
been in contact with no definitely well

975
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:47,780
our other guest tonight is Jill Heinen

976
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,430
and Jill am i pronouncing that correct

977
00:49:54,430 --> 00:49:52,640
you got it Tim all right fantastic I'm

978
00:49:56,290 --> 00:49:54,440
terrible at last names and if you listen

979
00:49:58,750 --> 00:49:56,300
if your regular listening to the show

980
00:50:00,250 --> 00:49:58,760
you know that well that's why I start

981
00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:00,260
that's why it's from over to you because

982
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:07,990
well Jill is from northwest Iowa and you

983
00:50:12,670 --> 00:50:10,100
know she began having paranormal

984
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:12,680
experiences at a young age but I you

985
00:50:17,740 --> 00:50:14,600
know I think like Jen you know she

986
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:17,750
mostly dismissed them but when she

987
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:20,240
became a a little older became a

988
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,300
teenager and she began to experience you

989
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,240
know more strange stuff you know she

990
00:50:29,620 --> 00:50:28,880
decided to start doing some research of

991
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:29,630
her own

992
00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:34,850
well then last October she got involved

993
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:37,100
with last October that she got involved

994
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:41,510
with the apex Iowa team Jill yes that is

995
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:44,210
correct last October all right and it's

996
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:46,460
it's based out of Kansas the Kansas City

997
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:52,160
area and so Jill is relatively due to

998
00:50:57,580 --> 00:50:56,030
the professional paranormal field I'm

999
00:51:03,640 --> 00:50:57,590
not going to use the word ghostbusters

1000
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:03,650
because that's so overused but oh yeah

1001
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:07,490
well I know I know but so uh why don't

1002
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,790
you tell us a little bit Jill

1003
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:12,640
you know about you know you said you had

1004
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:15,610
some early paranormal experiences you

1005
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:16,540
know you want to talk about those a

1006
00:51:23,730 --> 00:51:20,740
little bit sure I grew up in what I

1007
00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:23,740
would call a a haunted house grew up

1008
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:27,060
next to a cemetery and growing up I

1009
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:29,050
experienced a lot of weird things that

1010
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,290
it seems that I was the only one that

1011
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,000
experienced these things where I was the

1012
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:36,720
only one that would admit to it anyway I

1013
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:40,450
heard I used to hear music I I would

1014
00:51:43,830 --> 00:51:40,960
call it

1015
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:43,840
organ music in my bedroom I would I

1016
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,700
would hear it as I would try to sleep no

1017
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:47,440
one else would would hear it but I used

1018
00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:49,300
to hear organ music in my bedroom I

1019
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:52,840
would hear my name called I heard that

1020
00:52:01,700 --> 00:51:56,170
on several occasions I would see what I

1021
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:01,710
would describe as a hand over my bed I

1022
00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:06,730
used to have items moved for example I

1023
00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:08,500
would have my fingernail polish sitting

1024
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:11,020
next to my bed on my bed stand I would

1025
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:12,790
turn away for a minute or two it would

1026
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:15,550
be gone I would find it the next morning

1027
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:19,150
in the bathroom I didn't put it there no

1028
00:52:23,490 --> 00:52:21,790
one else put it there things got moved

1029
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:23,500
around all the time I had weird things

1030
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:28,450
happen with with pets one one particular

1031
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:31,630
thing that I can remember is I had three

1032
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:34,420
fish three goldfish in an aquarium in my

1033
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:37,230
room and I went to feed them one day and

1034
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:41,320
my three fish were gone lid the lid was

1035
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:44,320
still on the tank and I thought this is

1036
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:48,220
kind of strange my my fish are gone the

1037
00:52:53,780 --> 00:52:50,710
lid is on how did they get out I looked

1038
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:53,790
under my bed there were my three fish

1039
00:53:00,600 --> 00:52:58,330
dead under my head with the tank still

1040
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:00,610
on I I don't know I have no explanation

1041
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:04,120
as to that how that happened you know of

1042
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:07,780
course my family just dismissed it you

1043
00:53:10,050 --> 00:53:09,640
know there's a natural explanation for

1044
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:10,060
everything

1045
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:13,300
I missed it of course too I dismissed

1046
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:15,970
all these things at a young age I had

1047
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:17,890
what I would call an imaginary friend

1048
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:20,770
also at a young age that you know I

1049
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:22,510
back now I I don't think he was

1050
00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:24,250
imaginary but I dismissed all these

1051
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:27,820
things until I would say my late my late

1052
00:53:30,780 --> 00:53:29,470
teenage years and then things kind of

1053
00:53:34,380 --> 00:53:30,790
started picking up a little bit again

1054
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:34,390
and then I realized that that it was

1055
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:36,580
okay to acknowledge these things and

1056
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:39,130
then my interest really picked up and I

1057
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:42,190
found three three two other ladies in my

1058
00:53:47,460 --> 00:53:44,290
community and the three of us kind of

1059
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:47,470
started hanging out and talking about

1060
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:51,580
our experiences and we started I guess

1061
00:53:57,180 --> 00:53:53,710
you'd call ghost hunting on our own more

1062
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:57,190
just for for fun and for for our own

1063
00:54:03,240 --> 00:53:59,160
enjoyment looking for answers on our own

1064
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:03,250
and then last October we attended an

1065
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:06,130
event that apex paranormal was putting

1066
00:54:13,890 --> 00:54:10,450
on at Malvern Manor in Malvern Iowa and

1067
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:13,900
we did we ended up I guess you would say

1068
00:54:20,550 --> 00:54:17,830
hooking up with them and we we formed

1069
00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:20,560
apex Iowa and now here here we are of

1070
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:23,800
three ladies doing doing our ghost

1071
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,500
hunting and investigations how many

1072
00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:28,960
members how many members active members

1073
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:31,869
are there in the group in my group in

1074
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:34,859
Apex Iowa it is us just us three ladies

1075
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:39,490
yeah now you're all you're almost like a

1076
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:41,770
franchise though of any of a larger

1077
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:45,369
group yes yes we are a branch of Apex

1078
00:54:52,859 --> 00:54:46,990
paranormal out of the Kansas City area

1079
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:52,869
and there they are a bunch bunch of guys

1080
00:55:00,000 --> 00:54:56,350
we have Sean Sean Holland Elijah blue

1081
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:00,010
Cole Edie louder Phillip Stephenson and

1082
00:55:07,530 --> 00:55:03,300
they they have a newbie Shannon Johnson

1083
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:07,540
who is their case manager now so yeah

1084
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:11,440
they kind of asked us to come along for

1085
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:13,690
the ride and we we jumped on board so

1086
00:55:19,859 --> 00:55:16,540
now is everybody in the the group the

1087
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:19,869
extended group are they all psychic no

1088
00:55:25,410 --> 00:55:22,810
and none of us will claim to have any

1089
00:55:29,310 --> 00:55:25,420
psychic ability that's also you are you

1090
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:29,320
are you are investigators we write we

1091
00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:30,730
are researchers and investigators

1092
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:33,940
correct and and what sort of a pro I

1093
00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:34,630
mean

1094
00:55:39,299 --> 00:55:36,309
what sort of approach do you take to the

1095
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,309
the subject what how far it is your

1096
00:55:46,289 --> 00:55:42,160
interest to lie in the paranormal UFOs

1097
00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:46,299
Bigfoot dog man just ghost we are

1098
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:50,950
approach we take a banking approach if

1099
00:55:59,609 --> 00:55:56,650
job lunker's yes yes yes very very

1100
00:56:02,969 --> 00:55:59,619
rarely are things actually paranormal

1101
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:02,979
most things can be explained away so if

1102
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:06,190
my teammates X Iowa for example if we

1103
00:56:12,749 --> 00:56:10,089
are called into a residential case we

1104
00:56:16,349 --> 00:56:12,759
will go in looking to debunk and find a

1105
00:56:18,539 --> 00:56:16,359
natural occurrence first that's what we

1106
00:56:21,690 --> 00:56:18,549
set out to do and we will be very frank

1107
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:21,700
about that so we go in looking to debunk

1108
00:56:30,839 --> 00:56:26,220
and find natural explanations the apex

1109
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:30,849
Kansas City team does do some they call

1110
00:56:35,969 --> 00:56:33,130
it Squatch and they do go out and look

1111
00:56:38,579 --> 00:56:35,979
for Sasquatch every year I have not been

1112
00:56:41,459 --> 00:56:38,589
a part of that I'm not sure I want to be

1113
00:56:45,499 --> 00:56:41,469
a part of that but my Tech's Iowa group

1114
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:45,509
is looking to maybe branch out into some

1115
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:50,140
UFO looking for they well they all seem

1116
00:56:55,229 --> 00:56:52,809
I mean we've concluded here being the

1117
00:56:57,809 --> 00:56:55,239
big believers that we are and that there

1118
00:56:59,880 --> 00:56:57,819
seems to be a a connection between all

1119
00:57:06,890 --> 00:56:59,890
these different subjects that it's all

1120
00:57:12,749 --> 00:57:06,900
part of some giant the matrix the bubble

1121
00:57:15,959 --> 00:57:12,759
portal what happening that's right I

1122
00:57:18,329 --> 00:57:15,969
would agree now have you investigated

1123
00:57:25,019 --> 00:57:18,339
anything that you haven't been able to

1124
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:25,029
explain yes yes we have we have had some

1125
00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:27,910
very interesting such a way I'll go for

1126
00:57:37,859 --> 00:57:32,950
it okay I would say let's see I would

1127
00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:37,869
say the best was we were on an

1128
00:57:46,049 --> 00:57:44,440
investigation here last month and this

1129
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:46,059
would this would have been myself and

1130
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:47,980
Beth and Angie my two

1131
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:51,850
teammates we were at an old abandoned

1132
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:56,530
farm and it was near ancient Indian

1133
00:58:00,090 --> 00:57:57,460
burial ground

1134
00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:00,100
and we were having all sorts of activity

1135
00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:02,590
that night and we had done a walkthrough

1136
00:58:11,780 --> 00:58:05,980
of the entire place we had we had taken

1137
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:11,790
pictures and we we walked back into a I

1138
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:14,500
guess she would call it a large closet

1139
00:58:19,410 --> 00:58:16,840
off a bedroom and we had been in this

1140
00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:19,420
closet many times already that evening

1141
00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:24,660
and we had some objects appear there

1142
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:27,400
there was an old graduation cap and a

1143
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:30,910
trinket box that just appeared in that

1144
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:33,490
room they had not been there prior so we

1145
00:58:38,099 --> 00:58:34,900
kind of knew that we were going to be in

1146
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:38,109
for some activity after that happened so

1147
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:41,170
we decided to set up our motion detector

1148
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:44,290
then at that point and we headed down to

1149
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:46,810
the basement to investigate down there

1150
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:49,690
and while we were in the basement lo and

1151
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:51,850
behold our motion sensor goes off right

1152
00:59:03,260 --> 00:58:54,670
were those objects were not once but

1153
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:03,270
twice so that is pretty hard to explain

1154
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:06,430
logically we we don't have logical

1155
00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:09,609
explanation for that that in our minds

1156
00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:14,800
is paranormal activity so now what

1157
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:18,430
what's a motion detector a motion sensor

1158
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:21,550
picks up any movement that passes in

1159
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:23,910
front of the sensor via an IR or

1160
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:27,250
infrared beam when the beam gets broken

1161
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:30,490
the sensor goes off in theory when a

1162
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:32,740
ghost man is that manifests it creates

1163
00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:36,250
some density and as it moves around it

1164
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:38,380
passes in front of the IR beam and the

1165
00:59:46,109 --> 00:59:42,310
alarm sounds so we really the fact that

1166
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:46,119
it went off twice near these objects

1167
00:59:55,050 --> 00:59:50,250
that had just appeared out of nowhere is

1168
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:55,060
relatively hard for us to debunk even

1169
01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:58,410
being the skeptics that the three of us

1170
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:01,160
tend to be when we are investigating

1171
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:03,470
so that that was a very interesting

1172
01:00:08,279 --> 01:00:06,170
night indeed and a very fun night and we

1173
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:08,289
had some great stuff and that that was

1174
01:00:15,329 --> 01:00:12,799
that was pretty great you know you know

1175
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:15,339
what I'm always interested in any EVPs

1176
01:00:23,470 --> 01:00:20,510
yes there you go those are very hard to

1177
01:00:27,940 --> 01:00:23,480
debunk as well because it's it's pretty

1178
01:00:31,329 --> 01:00:27,950
hard to there's no way you can make up

1179
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:31,339
that kind of evidence when you play back

1180
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:33,770
a recorder and there's words on there

1181
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,720
that you did not hear with your own ears

1182
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,240
or you set a recorder in an empty room

1183
01:00:43,930 --> 01:00:41,119
and you leave and go to dinner and you

1184
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:43,940
come back and you play the recorder and

1185
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:46,880
there's voices on there that that's

1186
01:00:52,569 --> 01:00:50,089
pretty hard to debunk and those are

1187
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,579
pretty great those are those are pretty

1188
01:00:59,140 --> 01:00:54,559
good when you get some of those we like

1189
01:01:03,400 --> 01:00:59,150
EVPs a lot you know now Jill what what

1190
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:03,410
did they tell you the EVPs oh we've had

1191
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:07,940
some very good get out those are always

1192
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:10,970
fun well I would never tell you to get

1193
01:01:17,289 --> 01:01:14,529
out but go ahead oh thank you very much

1194
01:01:23,319 --> 01:01:17,299
yeah it's always great when you get when

1195
01:01:25,390 --> 01:01:23,329
you get a get out but we don't we don't

1196
01:01:26,829 --> 01:01:25,400
pay any attention to those but but you

1197
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:26,839
have you have gotten those kinds of

1198
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:30,079
messages before oh yes yes yes of course

1199
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:34,880
we've gotten we've got names before we

1200
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:38,000
have one particular old very old

1201
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:41,150
cemetery here in our local area that the

1202
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:42,920
three of us gals Beth and Angie and I

1203
01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:46,609
like to like to frequent and we've

1204
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,660
gotten we've gotten names we've asked

1205
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:52,640
who's been there who's there and we've

1206
01:01:57,069 --> 01:01:53,510
got names

1207
01:01:59,549 --> 01:01:57,079
one great EBT we had there was we were

1208
01:02:02,079 --> 01:01:59,559
just getting out of our car and we

1209
01:02:03,849 --> 01:02:02,089
happened to turn on the recorder and

1210
01:02:05,799 --> 01:02:03,859
have it running we weren't even doing an

1211
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:05,809
investigation yet we were just kind of

1212
01:02:11,410 --> 01:02:09,049
turning it on and we get a guru that was

1213
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:11,420
that was pretty someone this time in our

1214
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:13,430
attention and let us know that they

1215
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:18,609
we're ready to go sounds pretty good

1216
01:02:26,589 --> 01:02:22,010
yeah so they're always fun when you can

1217
01:02:29,890 --> 01:02:26,599
get a good EVP well so well what about

1218
01:02:33,339 --> 01:02:29,900
the photographs I mean have have you

1219
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:33,349
attempted to take any photographs and if

1220
01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:35,839
you got any you know and afterwards have

1221
01:02:40,569 --> 01:02:38,420
you got anything anomalous on them we

1222
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:40,579
haven't really had much as far as

1223
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:42,530
photographs you know you get the you get

1224
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:44,210
the occasional what you would call maybe

1225
01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:48,050
an orb but we're not really a big

1226
01:02:54,490 --> 01:02:52,520
believer in orbs and good crap good for

1227
01:02:57,849 --> 01:02:54,500
you good for you I'm happy to hear that

1228
01:03:00,790 --> 01:02:57,859
I see way too many photographs of you

1229
01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:00,800
know digital dust specks and you know

1230
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:02,180
people were like oh my god it's and

1231
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:06,710
everything you know it was something so

1232
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:10,210
critical because people can tell the

1233
01:03:15,549 --> 01:03:13,160
difference between a I mean look at look

1234
01:03:18,099 --> 01:03:15,559
at some of the photos that Tom Dongo has

1235
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:18,109
shown us that well most and they those

1236
01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:22,609
very different yeah yeah those of course

1237
01:03:30,430 --> 01:03:25,460
we've got coming on next week

1238
01:03:34,270 --> 01:03:30,440
Bruce Cornett who had was up there with

1239
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:34,280
Ellen Crystal in Pine Bush and boy do

1240
01:03:39,010 --> 01:03:36,260
they write they have photographs and a

1241
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:39,020
half I mean there's pictures in that

1242
01:03:45,730 --> 01:03:42,650
book of what appeared to be electrically

1243
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:45,740
charged let's use spacemen for a lack of

1244
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:48,770
a better term standing on the the ramp

1245
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:52,880
of a ship that's landed there yep

1246
01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:54,530
well I'd not say hey that leads us into

1247
01:03:59,770 --> 01:03:56,809
a good question here and I'll shoot this

1248
01:04:02,680 --> 01:03:59,780
out to Jill we got a question from Erin

1249
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:02,690
hunter one and Erin hunter wants to know

1250
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:06,290
what do you think about energy in

1251
01:04:12,099 --> 01:04:08,450
quotation mark says many investigators

1252
01:04:14,289 --> 01:04:12,109
believe in spirits needing your energy

1253
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:14,299
and then finishes that but what exactly

1254
01:04:18,609 --> 01:04:17,089
is this energy that these spirits need I

1255
01:04:21,819 --> 01:04:18,619
mean you do you have any you know

1256
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:21,829
knowledge of this or ideas well spirits

1257
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:24,290
need energy to manifest and to

1258
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:26,809
communicate you know that is why we use

1259
01:04:36,099 --> 01:04:31,039
you know EMF detectors that that

1260
01:04:37,779 --> 01:04:36,109
measures energy they can use energy from

1261
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:37,789
your from your cell phones you know if

1262
01:04:42,819 --> 01:04:40,400
you have a sudden battery drain that

1263
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:42,829
could be an indicator of paranormal

1264
01:04:50,469 --> 01:04:48,169
activity yeah we use EMF detector to

1265
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:50,479
kind of measure that energy they need

1266
01:04:56,709 --> 01:04:53,900
they need energy or power to manifest

1267
01:04:58,449 --> 01:04:56,719
you can kind of feel that energy is what

1268
01:05:02,469 --> 01:04:58,459
causes the hairs on the back here next

1269
01:05:05,319 --> 01:05:02,479
to stand up yeah I think they can

1270
01:05:08,019 --> 01:05:05,329
definitely use your energy you can kind

1271
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:08,029
of feel that that drain this last

1272
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:10,130
investigation we did all three of us

1273
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:12,529
whenever we went upstairs

1274
01:05:18,819 --> 01:05:15,890
we got an instant headache to me that

1275
01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:18,829
that's energy that spirits pulling

1276
01:05:24,249 --> 01:05:21,380
energy draining draining you pulling

1277
01:05:25,659 --> 01:05:24,259
energy from you so that they can so that

1278
01:05:27,309 --> 01:05:25,669
they can communicate with you I

1279
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:27,319
definitely believe that they can pull

1280
01:05:32,829 --> 01:05:31,039
energy from people and from electrical

1281
01:05:34,329 --> 01:05:32,839
sources they can pull energy from

1282
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:34,339
whatever kind of source that they well

1283
01:05:40,329 --> 01:05:36,559
yeah I would I wouldn't classify you as

1284
01:05:42,249 --> 01:05:40,339
a skeptic come on I mean that yeah maybe

1285
01:05:45,219 --> 01:05:42,259
maybe you're not maybe not a wide-eyed

1286
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:45,229
believer either but you you certainly

1287
01:05:51,399 --> 01:05:48,640
have had enough experiences to know that

1288
01:05:56,459 --> 01:05:51,409
something strange is going on in the

1289
01:05:58,989 --> 01:05:56,469
neighborhood to coin a phrase I think

1290
01:06:02,469 --> 01:05:58,999
that whenever everybody said to you but

1291
01:06:04,839 --> 01:06:02,479
go ahead we're very much we're believing

1292
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:04,849
skeptics I guess you could call us we're

1293
01:06:09,399 --> 01:06:07,130
we're very skeptical that's now that's a

1294
01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:09,409
that's a new category we'll have to come

1295
01:06:17,949 --> 01:06:12,380
up with a name for that yeah how about

1296
01:06:19,959 --> 01:06:17,959
how about diehard believers we've seen

1297
01:06:22,499 --> 01:06:19,969
an experimental in my flat dirty

1298
01:06:25,469 --> 01:06:22,509
believers but we we go into each

1299
01:06:27,459 --> 01:06:25,479
investigation being being skeptical

1300
01:06:28,659 --> 01:06:27,469
actually that's a good name for a group

1301
01:06:31,659 --> 01:06:28,669
I'm going to start a group called

1302
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:31,669
diehard believers ya know I you know I

1303
01:06:37,179 --> 01:06:33,890
see what she means there you know Tim

1304
01:06:39,609 --> 01:06:37,189
because you know I've I've seen a lot of

1305
01:06:41,050 --> 01:06:39,619
these groups that I mean they just they

1306
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:41,060
go into these

1307
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:42,890
Isis just you knowlike oh yes you know

1308
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:44,510
you we don't even have to go in there

1309
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:46,130
you have to know that there you know

1310
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,810
there's ghosts and hauntings and you

1311
01:06:52,090 --> 01:06:49,520
know and every do you know every little

1312
01:06:54,250 --> 01:06:52,100
creak and you know the wind blows

1313
01:06:56,770 --> 01:06:54,260
they're like oh my god of the ghost you

1314
01:06:59,440 --> 01:06:56,780
know so yeah I mean it's you know III

1315
01:07:01,390 --> 01:06:59,450
like these these types of investigators

1316
01:07:03,460 --> 01:07:01,400
who go in there and it's just like you

1317
01:07:07,890 --> 01:07:03,470
know ok you know you say it's haunted

1318
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:11,170
exactly it's it's not until I can prove

1319
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:19,280
otherwise well and we had somebody in

1320
01:07:26,650 --> 01:07:23,150
chat ask about your experiences at the

1321
01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:26,660
Malvern Manor this past weekend we only

1322
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:28,550
got a couple of minutes left you know

1323
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:30,410
before we have to go up to our break

1324
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:33,290
here a gym so you know maybe give us

1325
01:07:40,420 --> 01:07:37,610
like a like a thumbnail version okay

1326
01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:40,430
yeah Apex paranormal hosted an event

1327
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:42,860
this weekend at Malvern Manor in Malvern

1328
01:07:49,090 --> 01:07:45,920
Iowa that people could come out and

1329
01:07:53,410 --> 01:07:49,100
ghosts haunt with some of us from apex

1330
01:07:56,890 --> 01:07:53,420
it was myself and Sean and Elijah from

1331
01:07:59,080 --> 01:07:56,900
the Kansas City apex group and we just

1332
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,090
took turns leading a group of a few

1333
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:01,520
people to different areas of Malvern

1334
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:04,640
Manor and we had a great time and there

1335
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:06,530
were some there were a lot of personal

1336
01:08:13,210 --> 01:08:08,930
experiences I believe that that people

1337
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:13,220
had there were let's see when we first

1338
01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:16,730
got there Elijah said he was pushed kind

1339
01:08:21,790 --> 01:08:18,470
of he felt that he was physically pushed

1340
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:21,800
down the stairs he felt he felt he was

1341
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:23,089
pushed he didn't actually go down the

1342
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,950
stairs think of us but he felt he felt

1343
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:27,920
that he was maybe pushed on Elijah and I

1344
01:08:34,059 --> 01:08:31,700
had heard a disembodied voice in the

1345
01:08:38,410 --> 01:08:34,069
Attic we thought maybe we heard a help

1346
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,420
me so that was kind of interesting what

1347
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,400
else did we hear I'm getting I'm getting

1348
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:42,560
I'm getting the chills either somebody's

1349
01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:45,080
open the door or something good there's

1350
01:08:48,849 --> 01:08:47,960
something something very normal very

1351
01:08:51,250 --> 01:08:48,859
normal

1352
01:08:52,959 --> 01:08:51,260
yeah we saw shadow figures on the main

1353
01:08:58,570 --> 01:08:52,969
stairway that was that was

1354
01:09:02,380 --> 01:08:58,580
needs lots of footsteps we we slept the

1355
01:09:06,220 --> 01:09:02,390
team we slept overnight there and in the

1356
01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:06,230
morning I was awoken to a man speaking

1357
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:08,750
and I thought it was Elijah toh enough

1358
01:09:13,180 --> 01:09:10,670
to get up and get ready and get our

1359
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:13,190
stuff together like he always does but I

1360
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:15,770
got up and got around and everybody was

1361
01:09:19,780 --> 01:09:18,080
still found asleep and Elijah said he

1362
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:19,790
had heard it too so that was that was

1363
01:09:24,579 --> 01:09:22,730
all right Joe got a break we got a break

1364
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:24,589
in we're going to come back in a few

1365
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:27,230
minutes and we'll have a Claudia cutting

1366
01:09:31,930 --> 01:09:43,229
[Music]

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01:09:51,969 --> 01:09:46,629
with your comments anytime the kco our

1368
01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:51,979
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1369
01:09:57,459 --> 01:09:54,590
better jump in the live chat room and

1370
01:10:01,479 --> 01:09:57,469
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1371
01:10:04,509 --> 01:10:01,489
our radio calm now back to explore in

1372
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,519
the bazaar with two of the most under

1373
01:10:12,810 --> 01:10:07,280
fire researchers with paranoid your

1374
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:12,820
hosts Timothy Rebecca Lee Anton Swartz

1375
01:10:19,060 --> 01:10:16,729
yeah you know Tim some days the only

1376
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:19,070
exercise I get is jumping in the chat

1377
01:10:31,509 --> 01:10:28,729
room where I would like I'm glued to the

1378
01:10:35,919 --> 01:10:31,519
seat here I've been here for like ten

1379
01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:35,929
hours but I'm going to be glued here for

1380
01:10:40,989 --> 01:10:37,400
at least another half because I'm

1381
01:10:42,910 --> 01:10:40,999
bringing on one of my favorite ladies in

1382
01:10:46,689 --> 01:10:42,920
the world of the paranormal

1383
01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:46,699
I call her affectionately the MIB lady I

1384
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:48,260
don't know if the MIB caller that

1385
01:10:55,239 --> 01:10:50,510
effectually or not because she's always

1386
01:10:59,399 --> 01:10:55,249
on their tail or trail but it's Claudia

1387
01:11:02,640 --> 01:10:59,409
Cunningham talking to us from upstate

1388
01:11:06,549 --> 01:11:02,650
New York and if you go to our YouTube

1389
01:11:07,870 --> 01:11:06,559
channel mr. UFO secret files not only do

1390
01:11:09,759 --> 01:11:07,880
we have a couple of interviews because

1391
01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:09,769
Claudia has been on the show before but

1392
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:16,030
you'll find us at the grave site of of

1393
01:11:22,180 --> 01:11:18,800
charles fort and let me tell you it was

1394
01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:22,190
a hot and sweltering a day when we

1395
01:11:27,009 --> 01:11:24,380
visited last but we managed to put

1396
01:11:29,770 --> 01:11:27,019
together a a very interesting little

1397
01:11:33,339 --> 01:11:29,780
video Claudia how are ya how are you I'm

1398
01:11:35,739 --> 01:11:33,349
spoken to you is there much well I have

1399
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:35,749
not spoken to in a while I haven't

1400
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:37,820
spoken to you in a while and I was

1401
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,329
anxious to get you on the show tonight

1402
01:11:45,069 --> 01:11:42,800
because you told me something last time

1403
01:11:47,049 --> 01:11:45,079
we met that I didn't realize that you

1404
01:11:50,919 --> 01:11:47,059
are actually I mean I know you as the

1405
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:50,929
MIB lady and phantom dogs and things

1406
01:11:56,350 --> 01:11:54,920
along the mysterious cars and some other

1407
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:56,360
events that you've had

1408
01:12:02,890 --> 01:11:58,250
but I didn't realize that you are very

1409
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:02,900
much into other aspects of the the

1410
01:12:10,660 --> 01:12:06,530
paranormal and even are a member of one

1411
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,670
of the societies a paranormal society's

1412
01:12:14,830 --> 01:12:12,800
up around Albany could can you give us a

1413
01:12:17,650 --> 01:12:14,840
little background on this Claudia yeah

1414
01:12:19,930 --> 01:12:17,660
well first of all I think I started to

1415
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:19,940
fall in love with the anything scary

1416
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,970
when I was probably two years old I

1417
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:25,280
always had a vivid imagination but you

1418
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:28,010
know kids you grow out of that you know

1419
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,710
normal people do I guess but I was

1420
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:33,920
always drawn to finding out you know

1421
01:12:38,770 --> 01:12:36,290
kind of what what is life about you know

1422
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:38,780
when my playmates were playing with

1423
01:12:42,730 --> 01:12:40,670
dolls or cowboys and Indians

1424
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:42,740
you know I'd be reading a book about

1425
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:46,490
ghosts or whatever but it wasn't until I

1426
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:49,490
was 40 I'm giving my age way now that

1427
01:12:55,780 --> 01:12:52,610
things really started to happen to me

1428
01:12:58,450 --> 01:12:55,790
personally and I kind of believe what

1429
01:13:00,730 --> 01:12:58,460
John Lennon said he said he believed in

1430
01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:00,740
spirits and UFOs and the Loch Ness

1431
01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:02,870
monster he says I believe in everything

1432
01:13:09,670 --> 01:13:06,860
and even if it's in your imagination

1433
01:13:12,340 --> 01:13:09,680
it's real to you but I really believe

1434
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:12,350
that there is a paranormal and unseen

1435
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:14,390
world out there it's been proven to me a

1436
01:13:21,670 --> 01:13:18,530
million times over I of course I spoke

1437
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:21,680
with you about the vanishing black cars

1438
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:23,450
and the cemetery and everything that

1439
01:13:28,750 --> 01:13:27,020
happens overnight and then by chance of

1440
01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:28,760
course there's nothing by chance in life

1441
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:31,670
but I was at a veterinarian one day and

1442
01:13:36,460 --> 01:13:34,610
I started to talk to another lady who

1443
01:13:38,050 --> 01:13:36,470
was waiting to shed her dog on her lap

1444
01:13:41,170 --> 01:13:38,060
and we started to talk we kind of

1445
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:41,180
clicked and she loves animals and I do

1446
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:43,250
and she says well I have a paranormal

1447
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,410
group it's very prominent and she says

1448
01:13:50,290 --> 01:13:47,360
if you were really interested in this

1449
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:50,300
subject I wish you'd come to one of our

1450
01:13:54,610 --> 01:13:52,550
meetings and that was probably about

1451
01:13:58,090 --> 01:13:54,620
five years ago and they're they're great

1452
01:14:01,000 --> 01:13:58,100
people we have six mediums we have a

1453
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,010
couple of psychics it's headed by a

1454
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,440
gentleman by the name of Patrick Sam was

1455
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:06,560
a really wonderful guy he actually saw

1456
01:14:13,090 --> 01:14:09,900
his fiancee appeared to him

1457
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:13,100
body apparition after she passed away

1458
01:14:19,970 --> 01:14:16,199
when you meet him you just I mean he's

1459
01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:19,980
the most sincere guy he said that the I

1460
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:21,420
don't know what happened to her but I

1461
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:23,670
know they were extremely close and he

1462
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:26,760
said I was so despondent that I I took a

1463
01:14:30,380 --> 01:14:28,620
bottle of liquor and I hit up headed up

1464
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:30,390
to the mountains and I locked myself

1465
01:14:35,149 --> 01:14:32,730
away and I just wanted to be alone and

1466
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:35,159
he said I had a funny feeling and the

1467
01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:37,739
energy in the room kind of crackled with

1468
01:14:42,830 --> 01:14:39,630
the Selectric

1469
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:42,840
was like an exciting he said it was like

1470
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:45,390
an overpowering like a feeling of

1471
01:14:50,899 --> 01:14:47,880
expectation and he said I turned around

1472
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:50,909
and here she was right right in front of

1473
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:52,590
me he said it wasn't wasn't the liquor

1474
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:55,110
he said it was you know there she was

1475
01:14:59,780 --> 01:14:56,850
and she actually came over and hugged

1476
01:15:02,030 --> 01:14:59,790
him I've never heard of that but if you

1477
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:02,040
meet this guy you you know he said did

1478
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,310
he did he did he feel her caress yes he

1479
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:06,960
actually felt he's it was just like a

1480
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:10,440
person you know it was he says I know so

1481
01:15:16,340 --> 01:15:12,570
that that would be a that would be what

1482
01:15:19,340 --> 01:15:16,350
we call a full-body materialization yes

1483
01:15:21,260 --> 01:15:19,350
yeah he said it I've saved his life in a

1484
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,270
seeing her like that and he said I

1485
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:23,520
always wanted to prove to other people

1486
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:25,560
that it's real but I wanted to do it

1487
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:28,860
scientifically so we use EVPs and and

1488
01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:31,620
we're you know everything is very on the

1489
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:35,550
up and up and we have several things

1490
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:39,420
going on right now one one field trip

1491
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,640
we're going I think I meant might have

1492
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:44,219
mentioned this to you before is the de

1493
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:47,699
Beardslee castle and that's out in town

1494
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:50,310
called st. Johnsville New York which is

1495
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:52,290
out near Utica New York the western part

1496
01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:53,360
of the state

1497
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,520
we're from Albany New York which is the

1498
01:16:01,100 --> 01:15:58,560
second oldest capital city in the

1499
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:01,110
country and loaded with ghosts by the

1500
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:04,770
way but a couple of the ladies in my

1501
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:07,140
group they're twins actually Linda

1502
01:16:13,490 --> 01:16:10,560
Herrington and Laurie Berkley probably I

1503
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:13,500
think I don't know when exactly this was

1504
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,070
I was not with them but they see people

1505
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:19,920
they actually they see dead people and

1506
01:16:23,570 --> 01:16:23,250
they could have their own show and they

1507
01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:23,580
were

1508
01:16:29,180 --> 01:16:26,300
there for dinner it's an old old uh

1509
01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:29,190
actually was built during the French and

1510
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:32,550
Indian War in the 1700s and they used to

1511
01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:35,910
store a powder and munitions in the

1512
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:40,110
tunnels that that run underground and at

1513
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:41,820
one time it was an underground railroad

1514
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:44,340
but it has a bloody history a lot of

1515
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:48,450
deaths suicides in that place but now

1516
01:16:53,210 --> 01:16:50,850
it's a restaurant very nice I was there

1517
01:16:55,670 --> 01:16:53,220
one time I didn't see a darn thing but

1518
01:16:58,820 --> 01:16:55,680
they went to the powder room after they

1519
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:58,830
had dinner and they were combing their

1520
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:00,420
hair and kind of talking looking in the

1521
01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:02,580
mirror and the door opened behind them

1522
01:17:07,460 --> 01:17:04,440
and here were these two young girls

1523
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:07,470
about 15 years old and they had the

1524
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,330
little dust chaps that's what they used

1525
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:11,520
to call on back then and um they would

1526
01:17:16,460 --> 01:17:14,610
regular serving girls from the 1700s you

1527
01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:16,470
might see in the local pub or whatever

1528
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:19,230
and they were actually talking to Linda

1529
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:22,650
and Laurie and after you know after they

1530
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:24,630
walked out Linda said gee they were cute

1531
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:26,400
well let's find a manager I want to

1532
01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:29,130
compliment him on you know the outfits

1533
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:33,630
that the the weight people wear and when

1534
01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:35,310
they mentioned it to him he just left he

1535
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:36,840
said oh we don't have anybody like that

1536
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,440
here

1537
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:40,080
he said you saw them he said they were

1538
01:17:45,380 --> 01:17:41,970
probably working here a couple hundred

1539
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:45,390
years ago so we're going to take a field

1540
01:17:52,690 --> 01:17:47,850
trip out there hopefully this summer

1541
01:17:56,420 --> 01:17:52,700
with our EDP people hear footsteps and

1542
01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:56,430
whispers I think it was three employees

1543
01:18:02,360 --> 01:17:59,460
once heard a very loud like a chilling

1544
01:18:05,660 --> 01:18:02,370
scream that reverberate through the

1545
01:18:08,690 --> 01:18:05,670
castle and somebody pushed them down the

1546
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,700
stairs so it doesn't sound like anything

1547
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:11,040
good out there I don't know

1548
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,770
possibly poltergeist activity I don't

1549
01:18:16,820 --> 01:18:15,360
you know I don't I'm still trying to

1550
01:18:19,580 --> 01:18:16,830
figure out the difference between a

1551
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:19,590
spirit and a poltergeist ah well you

1552
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:23,280
know we've come to a lump everything get

1553
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,500
together if you've listened to any of

1554
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:27,120
the shows where we've had on Paul you

1555
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:31,620
know he considers them all parasites and

1556
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:33,780
of course a lot of these spirits and

1557
01:18:37,399 --> 01:18:35,820
ghosts are not what they claim to be I

1558
01:18:38,899 --> 01:18:37,409
mean they can they can

1559
01:18:42,259 --> 01:18:38,909
anything if they want to tell you

1560
01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:42,269
anything yet at all and he thinks some

1561
01:18:46,370 --> 01:18:43,979
of them are you know operating in a

1562
01:18:47,929 --> 01:18:46,380
another dimension or another realm and

1563
01:18:52,489 --> 01:18:47,939
they come through in this you know

1564
01:18:54,529 --> 01:18:52,499
portal and they feed on our the you know

1565
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:54,539
our the energy of the people around them

1566
01:18:59,839 --> 01:18:57,300
if you're scared of you know the the

1567
01:19:02,270 --> 01:18:59,849
ghosts of the the spirit they just they

1568
01:19:04,069 --> 01:19:02,280
just seem to love them love that it

1569
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:04,079
makes them more powerful and they'll

1570
01:19:13,819 --> 01:19:08,369
come a you know at you with more Glee

1571
01:19:17,659 --> 01:19:13,829
and bigger than ever before in fact Paul

1572
01:19:19,339 --> 01:19:17,669
Paul said at one time he had a Exorcist

1573
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:19,349
a priest you know in a house that was

1574
01:19:23,299 --> 01:19:21,719
really haunted and the ghosts just you

1575
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,309
know the spirit poltergeist came back a

1576
01:19:27,549 --> 01:19:25,679
couple of weeks later and he finally got

1577
01:19:29,839 --> 01:19:27,559
to remember this Timmy finally got the

1578
01:19:33,409 --> 01:19:29,849
poltergeist to go away by reading from a

1579
01:19:36,259 --> 01:19:33,419
joke book yes yeah and so he says

1580
01:19:43,339 --> 01:19:36,269
sometimes a teddy bear is just as good

1581
01:19:46,009 --> 01:19:43,349
as a cross and PDF of the here in other

1582
01:19:48,979 --> 01:19:46,019
words that's that's what they do yeah so

1583
01:19:50,839 --> 01:19:48,989
don't be don't be afraid of the ghouls

1584
01:19:52,969 --> 01:19:50,849
and goblins and things that go bump in

1585
01:19:55,909 --> 01:19:52,979
the night just mentioned Tim Schwartz's

1586
01:19:58,009 --> 01:19:55,919
name and there you go and everywhere

1587
01:20:00,589 --> 01:19:58,019
will be okay well you know actually I

1588
01:20:02,689 --> 01:20:00,599
have I have an article up right now that

1589
01:20:05,239 --> 01:20:02,699
that talks about the differences between

1590
01:20:07,580 --> 01:20:05,249
you know ghosts and hauntings and a

1591
01:20:09,919 --> 01:20:07,590
poltergeist especially talking

1592
01:20:11,959 --> 01:20:09,929
poltergeist well you have some

1593
01:20:16,129 --> 01:20:11,969
interesting cases there there's of

1594
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:16,139
course a Jeff talking mongoose now that

1595
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:18,090
in one of my favorite all-time their

1596
01:20:22,429 --> 01:20:20,070
claudia have you heard of the jeff to

1597
01:20:24,679 --> 01:20:22,439
talking mongoose you know that's one

1598
01:20:26,569 --> 01:20:24,689
that escaped me but i rusty all it is a

1599
01:20:27,770 --> 01:20:26,579
fabulous story we can't go into it

1600
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:27,780
tonight because we don't have enough

1601
01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:31,800
time but basically in england out there

1602
01:20:36,049 --> 01:20:33,630
on the on the coast on the island right

1603
01:20:41,949 --> 01:20:36,059
island man was it isle of manuscript

1604
01:20:46,759 --> 01:20:45,290
mongoose we don't know whether it was a

1605
01:20:48,949 --> 01:20:46,769
real well we assume it was a real

1606
01:20:50,990 --> 01:20:48,959
mongoose who could talk because they did

1607
01:20:54,380 --> 01:20:51,000
find the paw prints and

1608
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:54,390
I found the scratchings on the I think

1609
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:57,000
on the walls and on the table and the

1610
01:21:01,970 --> 01:20:59,010
Mongoose even climbed on the bottom of a

1611
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:01,980
busted remember that and Madeleine and

1612
01:21:06,740 --> 01:21:05,130
and and the MA and and the creature of

1613
01:21:08,420 --> 01:21:06,750
course they never really you know they

1614
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:08,430
only caught glimpses of it I mean it

1615
01:21:13,460 --> 01:21:11,250
claimed itself that it was among that it

1616
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:13,470
was a mongoose it said yeah it said it

1617
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:15,510
was just an extra clever little Mongoose

1618
01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:19,290
and then we had been walking stove right

1619
01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:21,510
right which happened in Spain just

1620
01:21:27,820 --> 01:21:24,390
around the same time as as Jeff the

1621
01:21:31,660 --> 01:21:27,830
mongoose if anybody anybody wants to

1622
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:31,670
learn more about this little devilish

1623
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:35,870
creatures like a Jeff the book is a

1624
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:38,370
medieval and beyond tim is but we'll

1625
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:40,770
find that material yes that's correct

1626
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,600
and and and then I have a separate

1627
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:44,640
article based on that's right yeah it's

1628
01:21:50,060 --> 01:21:47,760
on it's on our blog which is spectrum

1629
01:21:53,090 --> 01:21:50,070
vision yes spectral vision at

1630
01:21:54,980 --> 01:21:53,100
wordpress.com just just type in spectral

1631
01:21:57,650 --> 01:21:54,990
vision it will pop it up what is it

1632
01:21:59,630 --> 01:21:57,660
we've got a lot of articles on there I

1633
01:22:01,850 --> 01:21:59,640
mean there's some really good stuff on

1634
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:01,860
there I've send it to everybody who

1635
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:08,070
signs up at mr. UFO eight and hotmail we

1636
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:09,570
we send them a course a link to our

1637
01:22:17,980 --> 01:22:12,090
YouTube channel a link to the station

1638
01:22:27,890 --> 01:22:25,040
oh wow you got it - I said you send up

1639
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:27,900
dead dollars right yeah yeah

1640
01:22:33,890 --> 01:22:31,380
okay so exploiting it out there's been

1641
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:33,900
there's been this active activity up

1642
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:36,060
there around the Albany would you say

1643
01:22:40,220 --> 01:22:38,580
that there's more paranormal activity

1644
01:22:42,740 --> 01:22:40,230
there than other parts of the state or

1645
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:42,750
is it just because you guys are a little

1646
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,000
bit more conscious of it I think it's

1647
01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:47,760
because we're you know we look for it I

1648
01:22:51,710 --> 01:22:50,340
think I think spirits or whatever you

1649
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:51,720
want to call it they are everywhere

1650
01:22:58,820 --> 01:22:55,050
there they were just surrounding us but

1651
01:23:01,520 --> 01:22:58,830
it certainly is a haunted place but I

1652
01:23:03,890 --> 01:23:01,530
like I said before I was never really

1653
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:03,900
affected by it personally until I had an

1654
01:23:07,940 --> 01:23:04,270
ex

1655
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:07,950
Orient's when I was about 40 I think I

1656
01:23:14,430 --> 01:23:12,070
was I was ending a bad relationship I

1657
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:14,440
mean haven't we all right and I was kind

1658
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:17,890
of in a well not depressed but you know

1659
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,750
kind of an anxious state of mind a lot

1660
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:21,280
of things were going on in my life that

1661
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:25,900
weren't very good and I was in a in my

1662
01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:28,660
car late one night and I was on an old

1663
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:31,030
road that runs parallel to the Hudson

1664
01:23:36,690 --> 01:23:34,570
River and it's extremely scary Road I

1665
01:23:38,910 --> 01:23:36,700
used to hate to go on that thing but I

1666
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:38,920
was by myself it was probably 11:30 at

1667
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:42,400
night and all of a sudden and I swear to

1668
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:46,150
you this actually happened all of a

1669
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:48,010
sudden I have happened to look to my

1670
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:50,230
left and the road was completely dark

1671
01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:53,110
and just as I was going into the town of

1672
01:23:58,170 --> 01:23:55,510
Casselton just before I could just see

1673
01:24:01,500 --> 01:23:58,180
the lights of the town up ahead there

1674
01:24:03,570 --> 01:24:01,510
was a white owl and I swear the thing

1675
01:24:05,850 --> 01:24:03,580
was almost four feet tall it was at the

1676
01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:05,860
side of the road and all of a sudden it

1677
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:08,590
just flew right over my windshield and

1678
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:12,190
the wing scraped you know the windshield

1679
01:24:17,790 --> 01:24:16,090
as he went by and I had to pull over I

1680
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:17,800
couldn't believe I actually thought it

1681
01:24:27,150 --> 01:24:24,040
was I you know I was still good upset

1682
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:27,160
over it but after that I had a lot of

1683
01:24:32,340 --> 01:24:30,610
things I had well I had a couple of

1684
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:32,350
really strange things happening after

1685
01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:34,570
that but I did some reading on it and

1686
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,470
the owl is tied to a lot of occult lore

1687
01:24:43,950 --> 01:24:40,800
that's true and it's kind of like a

1688
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:43,960
screen image that it blocks people's the

1689
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:46,600
memory of perhaps what really has

1690
01:24:51,450 --> 01:24:49,630
occurred I know a lot of people who have

1691
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:51,460
been abducted I don't know him

1692
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,560
personally but I've read bill Hopkins

1693
01:24:58,680 --> 01:24:55,840
about Hopkins and a few other places a

1694
01:25:02,370 --> 01:24:58,690
claim that they've had encounters with

1695
01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:02,380
the with giant owls and later under

1696
01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:04,060
hypnosis that turned out that the owl

1697
01:25:10,020 --> 01:25:07,060
was an alien or something to that effect

1698
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,030
right well it happened very quickly and

1699
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:12,239
it never happened again but

1700
01:25:21,140 --> 01:25:16,770
shortly thereafter I went to the John F

1701
01:25:23,390 --> 01:25:21,150
Kennedy Library in Boston for the

1702
01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:23,400
Profiles in Courage Award that they give

1703
01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:25,590
away every year it's the Kennedy family

1704
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:28,739
they award a politician that they

1705
01:25:35,180 --> 01:25:32,880
consider may have been may have shown

1706
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,190
political courage on some subject and

1707
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:38,400
they give him a nice little award and I

1708
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:41,130
went two years in a row a friend of mine

1709
01:25:46,190 --> 01:25:44,489
used to work for a senator and we got

1710
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:46,200
press passes it's the only way we could

1711
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:48,930
get in there and I saw the Kennedy

1712
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:51,090
family's Jackie and it was was really

1713
01:25:55,459 --> 01:25:53,730
thrilling for me and on the way out I

1714
01:25:57,290 --> 01:25:55,469
was with my friend David and he said why

1715
01:25:59,420 --> 01:25:57,300
don't you know what a picture of you so

1716
01:26:02,000 --> 01:25:59,430
he I stood in front of the presidential

1717
01:26:03,979 --> 01:26:02,010
seal that was on the back of this wall

1718
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:03,989
and was like a touristy thing you know

1719
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:06,930
you get your picture taken and I had my

1720
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:09,600
hands in an upright position and I you

1721
01:26:12,650 --> 01:26:11,340
know I thought oh boy get this over with

1722
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:12,660
I hate my picture taken

1723
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:16,320
so I got home and when I developed the

1724
01:26:24,590 --> 01:26:20,130
pictures here was this cloth that was

1725
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:24,600
coming out from underneath my right hand

1726
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:28,440
it looks like a Serpent's claw it's I

1727
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:31,650
still have it it was the most horrifying

1728
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:33,510
thing I've ever seen and that was after

1729
01:26:38,959 --> 01:26:37,110
that owl thing so whatever that means I

1730
01:26:41,450 --> 01:26:38,969
have no idea I've had a couple people

1731
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:41,460
look at it one said well you're a healer

1732
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:43,380
that's what that means another one said

1733
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:46,980
a lot of people are experiencing it's

1734
01:26:53,180 --> 01:26:49,980
this that phantom pictures were spirits

1735
01:26:55,670 --> 01:26:53,190
appear and it means something you know

1736
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,680
arcane something that maybe it isn't

1737
01:27:00,560 --> 01:26:57,840
quite visible to the person for a while

1738
01:27:03,229 --> 01:27:00,570
but another person said well it's a

1739
01:27:05,090 --> 01:27:03,239
solid object but it's underneath your

1740
01:27:08,060 --> 01:27:05,100
hand you're not holding it so that's

1741
01:27:09,740 --> 01:27:08,070
another thing but and the other thing

1742
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:09,750
that happened to me I had what is called

1743
01:27:15,979 --> 01:27:12,900
an old hag experience I was asleep one

1744
01:27:18,500 --> 01:27:15,989
night in my bed and I was you know that

1745
01:27:20,540 --> 01:27:18,510
I guess they call it like a hypnopompic

1746
01:27:22,700 --> 01:27:20,550
state where you're not quite awake

1747
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:22,710
you're not quite as sleep but I was very

1748
01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:25,500
aware of where I was and everything

1749
01:27:31,010 --> 01:27:29,100
and I I could see this black silhouette

1750
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:31,020
at the foot of my bed and I could feel

1751
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:34,050
someone laying on top of me and they

1752
01:27:40,490 --> 01:27:36,030
actually had me pinned down very hard

1753
01:27:43,340 --> 01:27:40,500
and it it was terrifying it was it was

1754
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:43,350
just it was it was awful and I I

1755
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:45,060
remember that if you were ever attacked

1756
01:27:51,020 --> 01:27:48,570
like that to say the name of Jesus

1757
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:51,030
Christ and I could not get that name out

1758
01:27:56,590 --> 01:27:53,250
I had to do it phonetically but once I

1759
01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:56,600
did it was gone now that happened twice

1760
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:57,780
okay

1761
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:00,480
and that was before I met you that that

1762
01:28:04,490 --> 01:28:02,370
happen but this really got me and then I

1763
01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:04,500
had the thing with my friend Linda who

1764
01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:06,780
saw the disappearing you know men in

1765
01:28:13,210 --> 01:28:09,060
black and local cemetery and then I

1766
01:28:15,980 --> 01:28:13,220
joined the group and and Here I am so

1767
01:28:17,630 --> 01:28:15,990
one other thing I just wanted to tell

1768
01:28:18,890 --> 01:28:17,640
you that we're going on another field

1769
01:28:22,010 --> 01:28:18,900
trip we're going to be very busy this

1770
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:22,020
year and we're going to pick it see New

1771
01:28:27,290 --> 01:28:25,290
York to the Christ Episcopal Church have

1772
01:28:29,450 --> 01:28:27,300
you heard what's going on down yeah no

1773
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,460
no I don't I don't think so I'm not the

1774
01:28:36,530 --> 01:28:32,880
religious type so okay well well you

1775
01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:36,540
remember a Bishop Pike from break his

1776
01:28:41,630 --> 01:28:38,070
name up again I've been writing about

1777
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:41,640
Bishop Bishop Pike son committed suicide

1778
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,350
in the room where I slept one night and

1779
01:28:51,860 --> 01:28:47,760
it's in this book that Tim and I have

1780
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,870
been working on it's the philip k dick

1781
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:54,000
in the matrix and typically

1782
01:28:58,130 --> 01:28:57,090
synchronicities and yes I know all yes I

1783
01:29:00,020 --> 01:28:58,140
know about the hauntings of the

1784
01:29:02,030 --> 01:29:00,030
poltergeist and the whole bit yes I

1785
01:29:05,420 --> 01:29:02,040
didn't recognize the name but they had

1786
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:05,430
pulled the guy's connection there yes

1787
01:29:09,980 --> 01:29:08,490
yeah well for anybody for younger people

1788
01:29:13,340 --> 01:29:09,990
who never heard of him he was something

1789
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:13,350
he was a bit of a heretic yes he was yes

1790
01:29:20,060 --> 01:29:16,110
he believed in really radical things for

1791
01:29:22,970 --> 01:29:20,070
the early 60s which were considered like

1792
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:22,980
I said heretical at the time he believed

1793
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:25,800
in anti capital punishment and

1794
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:28,970
desegregation and Planned Parenthood and

1795
01:29:35,210 --> 01:29:31,800
women and women in the priesthood yes

1796
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:35,220
very big proponent of that and you know

1797
01:29:38,930 --> 01:29:37,380
he was he they thought he was kind of

1798
01:29:42,590 --> 01:29:38,940
nutty because he was so

1799
01:29:45,710 --> 01:29:42,600
out of the mainstream but he ended up on

1800
01:29:48,020 --> 01:29:45,720
television and he after his son died he

1801
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:48,030
got involved with mediums and the occult

1802
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:52,110
and Arthur Ford was the medium yeah

1803
01:29:56,930 --> 01:29:55,500
Arthur Ford right yeah and he worked

1804
01:30:00,380 --> 01:29:56,940
with the Ouija boards and everything but

1805
01:30:02,270 --> 01:30:00,390
he ended up I think it was probably

1806
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:02,280
around the time he was on television or

1807
01:30:09,740 --> 01:30:04,980
maybe shortly after or before that he

1808
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:09,750
was the rector at this church Piscopo

1809
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:15,420
Church and talk about odd things he

1810
01:30:20,300 --> 01:30:18,810
would well he thought there was a ghost

1811
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:20,310
in the church and he thought it was the

1812
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:22,530
former rector that walked up the stairs

1813
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:25,770
and just rang a bell and on the altar

1814
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:28,650
and anyway one time during the mass as

1815
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:31,980
he lit a holy candle Pike was actually

1816
01:30:37,130 --> 01:30:34,290
attacked by a bat on the altar that kind

1817
01:30:39,290 --> 01:30:37,140
of came out of nowhere and a gust of

1818
01:30:42,530 --> 01:30:39,300
wind blew out the candle just as the bat

1819
01:30:44,690 --> 01:30:42,540
appeared and it had happened several

1820
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:44,700
times it was in a witness by the entire

1821
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:49,380
congregation and candles and bats have

1822
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:53,370
kind of featured prominently and not

1823
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:55,800
only in that church but in others I find

1824
01:31:00,410 --> 01:30:58,170
what well you know the bishop today a

1825
01:31:02,780 --> 01:31:00,420
book with his wife I believe her name

1826
01:31:05,810 --> 01:31:02,790
was Diane and I had a brief

1827
01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:05,820
communication with her you know but via

1828
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:09,030
email just this week actually because I

1829
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:12,330
was trying to find out we know that the

1830
01:31:18,490 --> 01:31:15,050
Bishop Pike had a close friendship with

1831
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,500
philip k dick who is the subject of this

1832
01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:21,000
book that we're doing it's a fascinating

1833
01:31:27,740 --> 01:31:25,620
book to read that oh it's a utterly

1834
01:31:30,620 --> 01:31:27,750
fascinating as you could tell Tim can

1835
01:31:32,180 --> 01:31:30,630
tell you as he does into putting it all

1836
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:32,190
together and formatting it and he's

1837
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:35,520
already up to chapter 10 Wow I'll buy

1838
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:38,880
that well you know your your your you're

1839
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:42,210
so close we'll give you a a good sizable

1840
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:44,910
discount in fact I might I if I'm

1841
01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:47,610
invited I might join you as the the

1842
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,430
church what are you going there

1843
01:31:54,050 --> 01:31:52,320
hopefully probably July we're

1844
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:54,060
anything without that make it around

1845
01:31:59,180 --> 01:31:55,650
make it around my birthday and we'll

1846
01:32:01,520 --> 01:31:59,190
we'll celebrate high-mass together be

1847
01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:01,530
like hey you know I hate to cut in here

1848
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:04,920
but we've got two damn minutes to to go

1849
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:07,170
is all Claudia how do people get in

1850
01:32:11,660 --> 01:32:09,510
touch with the you and the group and

1851
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,670
Jill you got to come on and tell us the

1852
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:12,960
same thing although of course they can

1853
01:32:20,810 --> 01:32:17,810
find it on our on our page here k cor

1854
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okay well the name of the group is the

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paranormal scientific investigations New

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York State otherwise known as psi n YF

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there you go

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yep and they could find it on facebook

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or google it yes yeah yeah just type it

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in on your search engine and you'll

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you'll get to learn our website and and

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Jill what do you have to offer our

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listeners you can check out our webpage

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the apex paranormal online.com we have a

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Facebook page apex paranormal twitter at

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apex underscore paranormal and we're

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also on YouTube

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apex paranormal and also apex Iowa well

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you know we all keep so darn busy sean

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has contributed to a couple of our books

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a medieval and beyond

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spooky treasure troves and the Bell

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Witch Project and don't forget the

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archives will be up up this will be in

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the archive in just a little while on

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Casey oh our radio and our YouTube

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channel is mr. UFO secret files and

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thanks for - Peter for making it a

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spectacular effort in cinematography and

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good night one and all and thank you for

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being with us you ladies were just

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wonderful and we're going to do again

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you've been listening to exploring the

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bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky

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panting Swartz they're taking back the

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night by getting non-stop above the

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puzzles in search of the truly bizarre

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and totally explain if you as their cold

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earth day nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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10:00 p.m. on the K cor digital radium

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for more information on exploring the

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bizarre and host Timothy Becky and sim

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Swartz check out their kco our digital

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radio network follow their YouTube

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channel @m our UFO 1,100 explored the

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the key